( Former orgone biophysics student of Dr. Eva Reich )
Jerry's reply is presented here, along with my comments in italics:
I posted just enough about my experiment for my purposes...never claimed to be an expert...and I have an entirely different set of friends and understanding than you....so my information might not fit your frames of reference.
I have received several emails of support and personal experiences with their own experiments that confirm mine.
How many more people do you know of who are fooling around with cloudbusters?
I know how fanatical you are about your version of orgonomy so I didn't say anything as I figured it would set you off with clarifications and wanting to instruct me.
And of course you do not want any instruction.
I can't remember one single thing you've ever told me in the past that was technical or had enough information to do anything with it or prove it.
Correct. I do not usually try to tell people anything that would help or encourage them to do anything witrh cloudbusters.
Your claim of being able to direct lightning
Actually, that was Trevor Constable who made that claim, not me.
and all your experiments in cloudbusting..not one word about details and not one reference where you had documented any of it for study by anyone...just your word...so now you want me to tell you everything??? Why should I?
I promised the people who sent me my plans I would not post them on the net or pass them around..
Say again? You did post the plans for your cloudbuster on the net.
.they have been doing weather modification with a secret group for many years, far, far longer than you
I have been doing cloudbusting since 1967, so if they have been at it far far longer than that they must be in their 80s by now.
and with successes beyond what anyone remotely suspects.
So we can blame them for all the weather-related disasters that have happened in the last 50-odd years?
A small group of us in Dallas found a direct correlation to their claims that we have created and tested many times. I think it could be the inner secret of Reich that none of his adherents even suspect.
Reich did not have any "secrets"; He published his findings, as a scientist is supposed to do. The idea that there are some sort of "secrets" about his or for that matter, any scientist's work, is a projection by people who are so paranoid they cannot understand openness in science. There is no such thing as a secret in science. Science is a body of PUBLIC knowledge, confirmed by others working in the field, not a body of secret information held by some individual or group.
Eva Reich worked closely with her father for the last 7 years of his life, a period which includes the entire time he worked on cloudbusting. How likely is it that he witheld some "secrets" from her and his other co-workers?
I met them many years ago at a conference and we have stayed in touch many years and swapped information...so when I was ready to come to Mexico and do the experiment, they offered to give me a copy of the technique they used for so many years.
So I'm not at liberty to give out all the details...a matter of trust and respect.
Anyway....did my thing, worked as intended and no negative effects lo these many years.
There is a new electronic device, roughly a foot square which claims to produce or dissipate rain within a 20 mile radius..
And of course, you believe the claims without demanding any evidence?
Such a claim is so at odds with what we know about the way the atmosphere functions that it would require the strongest possible evidence. The word of an unknown inventor is not enough to just throw overboard all the solidly established knowledge of how the atmospheric orgone energy behaves which has been tested over generations now by numerous people throughly familiar with the initial discoveries of Reich and confirmed by experimental evidence many times by many independent investigators.
.the inventor is friggin BRILLIANT and refuses to give out the details or sell them for fear many people dicking with the weather would hose it worldwide...and I agree with him...
But still you have no hesitation in posting plans for the construction of a cloudbuster, which, unlike this alleged new gadget, has long been PROVEN to be effective.
luckily he sent me a copy of the plans and details about his and a tight group of trusted friends, experiments...all I can say is WOW!!!
Only one other electronic device I know of worked like this, I had discovered the plans in some very old documents
Can't be too old; electronics has been around for less than a century. And electronics is as well-understood as anything in use today. If there was any way anything electronic could affect the weather at the distances you claim, it would be well-known to all of the millions of people who are familiar with electronics.
And so what you are saying boils down to first, that someone other than Reich had discovered some way to affect the atmosphere decades before Reich invented the cloudbuster, and , second, that all Reich and everyone else working in the field of orgone biophysics all these years have discovered about how orgone energy behaves is wrong, and the atmosphere really behaves in a very different way, since from what we know of orgone energy, no "electronic box" can be expected to do what you describe.
You also are saying that the theory of electronics must be wrong, since there is no way in modern electronics theory that anything electronic could do what you claim this "electronic" device does.
So, if it is really possible for something "electronic" to change weather conditions over any significant area, the orgone theory must be wrong. SO HOW DOES THE CLOUDBUSTER WORK, THEN, IF THE ORGONOMIC THEORY OF ATMOSPHERIC FUNCTIONING IS INCORRECT?
and sent them to him...he built and tested it and it so phreaked out my friend who built it that he dissassembled it and buried the parts...he said it was just too dangerous to be messing with....it had a lot of other amazing effects than weather, thats what scared him..
Sounds like he at least may have some common sense.
Anyway....we only see the tips of icebergs....I happen to agree that full details of such things shouldn't be posted for any dick to play with...but parts of it can be posted and those who are serious will fill in the rest...hopefully they won't be scuzbags and sell it or use it to cause harm...intentionally or by not considering all the ramifications.
What you posted was enough for anyone to build a working cloudbuster. How much more irresponsible can you get?
Sorry Joel, as much as you think you know about orgonomy and Reich...I don't think you hold a candle to my secret friends..
I have met and spoken with nearly everyone who worked with Reich in the 1950s, and if there were any others, I would have heard of them. And having been told by Eva Reich that I impressed her as more knowledgeable in this field than anyone else she knew of, I hardly think your evaluation of my knowledge of orgonomy is conclusive. How much have you studied of orgonomy, Jerry? What makes you such an expert in the field that you are qualified to judge how much I know?
..they are now old and retired...possibly dead...haven't heard from them in about 5 years now...guess I should check up on them to see if they are still around.
Wonder how much information and discoveries have been lost because we don't or CAN'T post everything we and others know?
Please don't get me embroiled with your groups or their adherents...what I did has been posted and thats enough for me. I have no interest in arguing with or being chastized by people I don't know about my experiment. It's none of their business..
Wrong. It is everyone's business if you do anything that affects the environment that other people have to live in. You have no more right to do cloudbusting than to dump pollution into the air or water. Cloudbusting is just as much the business of the public as pollution is, and for the same reason; it can harm people who have not given their consent to be used as guinea pigs in your experiments.
.they can do their own experiments and share them or not...
Just too many other fascinating things to study and experiment with...I might try that electronic device just to see if it does what the inventor says,
So you might also decide to spread radioactive dust around from an airplane "just to see what it does"? Do you really think satisfying your personal curiousity is justification for risking the lives of other people who do not give their informed consent to be affected by your experiment? That sounds like something only a psychopath would say, Jerry. How does it differ from capturing people off the streets and doing experimental surgery on them? Or is your scientific curiousity so strong you would do that too?
but no solid plans for it at this point.
Jerry W. Decker